ITE Traffic Incident
Management E-mail Discussion Group Digest #10
June 23 to June 28, 1999
#1.
RE: TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash Investigations - from
O'Laughlin, John B.
#2. TIM: RE: TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash
Investigations -Reply -
from
Helman, David
#8. Preliminary Announcement: TOC Leadership Issues
Meeting - from
Wilks, Tobasha
#9. Preliminary Announcement - from
Wilks, Tobasha
#10. Re: TIM: Preliminary Announcement - from
Juanita Lowe
#11. RE: TIM: Preliminary Announcement - from
Chuck Manuel - MCDOTX
#12. TIM Committee Help Needed to ID Resources
- from Chuck Miller
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#1. RE: TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash
Investigations - from
O'Laughlin, John B.
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 14:50:40 -0400
From: "O'Laughlin, John B." <OLAUGHLIN@pbworld.com>
Subject: RE: TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash Investigations
Sorry I was out of the loop when this got generated. Lots of good
information and comments. I do want to comment on "Total Station." I
challenge you to look into the actual use and time taken for these
systems, I used and supervised the use of Total Station (TS) at
accidents scenes for 9 years until I retired 4 years ago. I am of
the strong opinion, which is shared by a large number of police
managers and DOT managers, that they do not save time. They do
allow for better diagrams.
Here's why:
* First responders wait for them to arrive which can take up to or over an
hour.
* The TS user must survey the scene to see what to measure.
* TS takes 20 minutes to set up.
* Investigators now measure far more points than they used to which takes
time.
* Users that aren't experienced, take longer that older methods. I
have witnessed them reading the operations manual for TS while the road is
blocked!!
What's better?
* "Passive laser systems" need one operator, set up in 5 minutes, are more
versatile, and cheaper.
What's Best?
"Photogrammetry". Takes measurements from 35mm, digital, or
video. Easy to use, inexpensive and flexible. Check out WEB site
http://www.jps.net/measure/
I am involved in this effort because it works!! we have done night scenes,
day scenes, in house crimes etc. Being used on a test or
limited basis in Oregon, California, Washington and Arizona that I
know of. Fairly new and will take time to spread, but, I
personally guarantee, in the right hands, it will work.
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#2. TIM: RE: TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash
Investigations -Reply -
from Helman, David
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Date: 24 Jun 1999 10:15:41 -0400
From: "Helman, David <FHWA>" <David.Helman@fhwa.dot.gov>
Subject: TIM: RE: TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash Investigations -
Reply
I agree with John. The temptation with Total Stations, since
measurement is fast, is to take many more measurements. Washington
State Patrol used to say "twice as many measurements in half the time". I
guess I would say what's wrong with "the same measurements in one-fourth
the time"? If you didn't need them before, why do you need them now?
(Ans...better documented scene, but how well does it need to be
documented?) There have been problems in a number of states, with
one or two units available, of getting the TS to the crash site. Why
should you have to wait for an hour or two for the TS to arrive when you
could be measuring by another method. The operators of the TS also
need to stay current on the equipment to use it efficiently. If you
use it once a month, then you will have operators at the scene reading the
manual. If you have trained accident investigation teams on call
24/7 who use the equipment daily and who can get to the scene fast
(under a half-hour), then the TS is a good advancement over the hand
measurement method.
I have talked with police officers who use the laser system and they
think it's faster than TS and easier to use. But, like John, I also
think the photogrammetric method will provide the real breakthrough for
getting accurate measurements quickly and safely. And the "safely"
part is not just for the investigating officer. It's also for the
thousands of people caught for hours in the backup behind a major closure.
Another issue in incident management that's changing is that while
liability for pushing stuff off the road was always more perceived than
real, liability for serious secondary collisions behind lengthy closures
is very real as some states are beginning to find out. The
photogrammetric method is under active testing and investigation in
several locations. Early indications are that the police seem to be
enthusiastic.
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#8. Preliminary Announcement: TOC Leadership Issues
Meeting - from
Wilks, Tobasha
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 10:42:41 -0500
From: "Wilks, Tobasha" <tobasha.wilks@dot.state.wi.us>
Subject: Preliminary Announcement: TOC Leadership Issues Meeting
This conference is intended to provide the opportunity for Peer
Networking, and Sharing Knowledge and Experience. The participants
included Active Mangers and Technical Leaders in TOC's & TMC's. If
you have any questions contact Ron Sonntag at: (414)288-5734 or email:
sonntagr@vms.csd.mu.edu or
John Corbin: (414) 227-2150, email:
john.corbin@dot.state.wi.us
Thank you.
<<Leadership Mtg Preliminary Announcemnt.doc>>
Tobasha R. Wilks, Administrative Assistant
633 W. Wisconsin Avenue
Suite 1200
Milwaukee, WI 53203-1907
(414) 227-2156
tobasha.wilks@dot.state.wi.us
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#9. Preliminary Announcement - from
Wilks, Tobasha
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 11:51:14 -0500
From: "Wilks, Tobasha" <tobasha.wilks@dot.state.wi.us>
Subject: Preliminary Announcement
PRELIMINARY ANNOUNCEMENT
TRAFFIC OPERATIONS CENTER (TOC) LEADERSHIP ISSUES
Intended for
Management & Technical Leaders
OBJECTIVE: This conference is intended to provide the opportunity for Peer
Networking, and Sharing Knowledge and Experience. Participants
include Active Managers and Technical Leaders in TOC's & TMC's
SPONSORS: Wisconsin Department of Transportation, Federal Highway
Administration, Marquette University Center for Highway & Traffic
Engineering, Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE) -
Traffic Incident Management Committee and ITE TOC/TMC Users Group
WHERE: Marquette University, Weasler Auditorium, Milwaukee, Wisconsin
(conveniently located in downtown Milwaukee)
WHEN: Thursday, July 22, 1999
TIME: 9 am to 4 pm
PROGRAM CONTENT:
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Operations & Maintenance (O&M) Issues - (Planning, Staffing &
Budget)
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Overview: Walter Kraft, PB Faradyne, Inc. Panel Discussion
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Operations & Management Center (TOC/TMC) - ITE Users Group
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Overview: Jay Obenberger, WisDOT, District 1 ITS Engineer
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Discussion: Conference Participants
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User Group Needs -Chat Group, List Server, Weekly Topical
Discussions
Database (contact names, activities, Policy guidelines, etc.)
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Interagency Coordination - Cross agency boundaries
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Overview: Joe McDermott, McDermott &Assoc.
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Information Sharing
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Integrating Operations
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Incident Management
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Privatization Overview: Walter Kraft, PB Farradyne, Inc.
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TOC Operations
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Maintenance
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Project Management & Participation
CONTACT FOR RESERVATIONS: Tobasha Wilks, Wisconsin DOT
Phone: (414) a227-2166
E-mail: tobasha.wilks@dot.state.wi.us
HOTEL ACCOMMODATIONS AND DIRECTIONS PROVIDED UPON REQUEST AND WITH
RESERVATIONS
Tobasha R. Wilks, Administrative Assistant
633 W. Wisconsin Avenue
Suite 1200
Milwaukee, WI 53203-1907
(414) 227-2156
tobasha.wilks@dot.state.wi.us
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#10. Re: TIM: Preliminary Announcement - from
Juanita Lowe
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 13:11:31 -0500
From: "Juanita Lowe" <Juanita@ksdot.org>
Subject: Re: TIM: Preliminary Announcement
I am with the Kansas DOT and we are in the process of building, staffing,
etc of our TOC in conjunction with the Missouri DOT. Do you feel
this meeting would be of any benefit to us? Please let me know as
soon as possible so we can make arrangements. Juanita@KSDOT.org
Thanks
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#11. RE: TIM: Preliminary Announcement - from
Chuck Manuel - MCDOTX
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 12:46:10 -0700
From: Chuck Manuel - MCDOTX <ChuckManuel@mail.maricopa.gov>
Subject: RE: TIM: Preliminary Announcement
Juanita, I have 26 years experience with Phoenix Fire Dept. as a captain,
paramedic & haz mat technician. Now I work part time for Maricopa
County Dept. of Transportation & recently completed the MDI AZTech project
with the AZDOT. So I come with advice from both of the table (public
safety & transportation). Your folks should attend & also begin to
learn the language and terminology of public safety agencies (police,
fire, ems, haz mat). Most public safety agencies also don't know
what we do in transportation. You should extend a hand to local
agencies and create a partnership for future incidents. You both
will work together so you should get off on the right foot..let me know if
you would further info or just have questions.
Thanks...
chuck manuel
emergency management services coordinator
maricopa county DOT
602-506-4612
602-506-8758 fax
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#12. TIM Committee Help Needed to ID Resources
- from Chuck Miller
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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 14:54:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: Chuck Miller <cmiller@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: TIM Committee Help Needed to ID Resources
TIM COMMITTEE HELP NEEDED!
As Bruce Churchill mentioned during the June 22 teleconference, we are
beginning to develop a list of knowledgeable practitioner from the domain
of incident management. This resource list will be used internally
by the TIM Committee in development of Key Issues and Practices Series
(KIPS) events and other initiatives. Any person suggested as a
possible resource or any volunteers will be formally contacted in order to
brief them on the objectives of the KIPS project and their expected role.
Potential resource persons will also be asked whether they are willing
to act as a resource for the KIPS project. We are looking for
persons with expertise spanning the wide gamut of incident management.
Please provide us as much contact information as possible and the person's
area(s) of incident management related expertise. To limit the
annoyance to other Committee members, please email information on
suggested knowledgeable practitioners directly to me at
cmiller@mailhost.vuse.vanderbilt.edu or you can send a fax to the
number listed below.
Thank you for your assistance.
Chuck Miller
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Charles A. Miller, Ph.D., P.E., AICP
Vanderbilt University
Box 1625, Station B
Nashville, Tennessee 37235
Phone: (615) 322-0430
Fax: (615) 322-3365
Email:
cmiller@mailhost.vuse.vanderbilt.edu
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