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ITE Traffic Incident Management E-mail Discussion Group Digest #19

January 14 to January 20, 2000

This digest contains the following messages:

#1. Re: TIM: INTL ASSOC OF CHIEFS OF POLICE - HWY SAFETY DESK REFERENCE - from Ken Brooke
#2. RE: Multiple Cell 911 Calls - from Franklin, Robert B
#3. TIM: INTL ASSOC OF CHIEFS OF POLICE - HWY SAFETY DESK REFERENCE - from Corbin, John
#4. TIM: ACTION - DRAFT - from Corbin, John
#5. TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY - from Corbin, John
#6. TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply - from
Helman, David
#7. Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY - from Ken Brooke
#8. RE: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply - from DuFresne, Jon C.
#9. TIM: RE: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply - from
Helman, David
#10. Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY - from Dick Raub
#11. Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply - from Dick Raub
#12. Temporary freeway detection/surveillance - from Chuck Miller
#13. Re: TIM: ACTION - DRAFT - from Ken Brooke
#14. Re: TIM: Temporary freeway detection/surveillance - from Ken Brooke
#15. FW: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY - from Corbin, John

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#1. Re: TIM: INTL ASSOC OF CHIEFS OF POLICE - HWY SAFETY DESK REFERENCE - from Ken Brooke
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:14:38 -0500
From: Ken Brooke <ken@mitretek.org>
Subject: Re: TIM: INTL ASSOC OF CHIEFS OF POLICE - HWY SAFETY DESK REFERENCE

I highly recommend the section on Freeway Incident Management, about ten pages of reading, beginning on P 90.

Ask yourself when you come across the sections describing "DOT" operations if the cops are accurately describing what you do during a highway incident.  I think that the transportation resource of 10-15 years ago is described, but I don't see the ITS-era resource we all have been working to deploy out of ISTEA.

Ken

PS:  I have also copied Matt Snyder, the manager of IACP's Technical Clearinghouse, on this message, in part to lure him into the conversation and introduce him to the discussion group.

ITE TIM wrote:

> The IACP has a copy of their Highway Safety Desk Reference accessible
> through their web site (www.theiacp.org).  The desk reference is at

> http://www.bts.gov/ntl/DOCS/deskbk.html

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#2. RE: Multiple Cell 911 Calls - from Franklin, Robert B
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Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:27:22 -0700
From: "Franklin, Robert B" <robert.b.franklin@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: Multiple Cell 911 Calls

Dick:

Suggest you contact Jeff Hannah of ComCARE Alliance at 202.429.0574. They
are very active in this field.

Tip

> Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:50:14 -0600
> From: Dick Raub <raraub@nwu.edu>
> Subject: Multiple Cell 911 Calls

> I am seeking any work that has been done directed toward reducing the
> multiplicity of cell 911 calls for incidents (or the need to answer such
> multiple calls).  We are looking to increase the number of of PSAP's for
> cell 911 in a highly congested, multiple police agency corridor.  the
> problem now is that the one agency that handles cell 911 must take time
> from their dispatching duties to answer multiple calls.  Other agencies do
> not want the same problems. 

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#3. TIM: INTL ASSOC OF CHIEFS OF POLICE - HWY SAFETY DESK REFERENCE - from Corbin, John
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Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:50:46 -0600
From: "Corbin, John" <john.corbin@dot.state.wi.us>
Subject: TIM: INTL ASSOC OF CHIEFS OF POLICE - HWY SAFETY DESK REFERENCE

1. For those that may be having difficulty with my initial web site reference for the Hwy Safety Desk Reference, try

http://www.theiacp.org/pubinfo/Pubs/index.html


2. Please note also a recent resource through ICDN on photo enforcement...

http://pti.org/task_forces/transportation/
docs/photo/photo_enforcement.pdf



3. Finally, thanks to CD Tyler for sharing a final web site on photogrammetric crash measurement during his presentation at the 1/9 IM Seminar in DC.  This web site is at

http://www.jps.net/measure/examples.htm


"Keep those cards and letters coming!!"


John M. Corbin, P.E., P.T.O.E.
Freeway Operations Engineer
Traffic Operations Center
Wisconsin Department of Transportation
633 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 1200
Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53203
phone: 414-227-2150
fax: 414-227-2164
john.corbin@dot.state.wi.us

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#4. TIM: ACTION - DRAFT - from Corbin, John
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 13:35:51 -0600
From: "Corbin, John" <john.corbin@dot.state.wi.us>
Subject: TIM: ACTION - DRAFT

Thanks to Barry Drogin for drafting an outreach sheet for public safety recruitment to the TIM Committee.  Your feedback will be appreciated.  If you care to comment directly to Barry, email bdrogin@mtabt.org

Alternately, share comments of general interest on through this email discussion group.


 <<TIM.pdf>> 

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#5. TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY - from Corbin, John
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2000 20:01:36 -0600
From: "Corbin, John" <john.corbin@dot.state.wi.us>
Subject: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY

Does anyone (Dick Raub, John O'Laughlin, Ken Brooke, etc.) have leads on RECENT (i.e. past 5 years) research that quantifies the hazards of excessive emergency vehicle lighting practices - particularly on freeways?

It seems clear to casual traffic operations observers that wig-wagging reds & blues distract motorists and may contribute to secondary crashes.  I also hear anecdotal reference to the "moth effect" attracting the chemically incapacitated driver INTO a strobing light. 

Any leads on some hard results would be appreciated.


John M. Corbin, P.E., P.T.O.E.
Freeway Operations Engineer
Traffic Operations Center
Wisconsin Department of Transportation
633 West Wisconsin Avenue, Suite 1200
Milwaukee, Wisconsin  53203
phone: 414-227-2150
fax: 414-227-2164
john.corbin@dot.state.wi.us

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#6. TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply - from Helman, David
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Date: 20 Jan 2000 08:51:58 -0500
From: "Helman, David <FHWA>" <David.Helman@fhwa.dot.gov>
Subject: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply

Excellent question John!

We have been discussing this point for some time in the IM Workshops (NHI 13348) and it's a hard sell to public safety people who see their lives on the line unless they light up the world.  However, Phoenix fire and others are beginning to understand how this affects traffic and their own response, especially to secondary incidents and they have begun to address "light discipline".  I don't have any statistics and I am not aware of any research, but there have been anecdotal tales of how much rubbernecking is reduced by reducing the use of flashing emergency lights.  Some people have experimented with various types of screening devices and none of these has been very successful or easy to set up.  The key, of course, to reducing the use of flashing emergency lights is to provide GOOD on scene traffic control (usually a DOT job) through use of portable message signs and arrow boards.  Some fire departments are also putting arrow strips on their vehicles.  Of course, for these to be really effective, there has to be some forethought given to parking and staging of response vehicles.  Certainly, you'll want to light up things for a few minutes while establishing the beachhead, but once good traffic control is in place most of those lights can be turned off.  Flashing lights are a warning only.  They provide no sense of direction and they can be confusing, especially at night.  There are a whole host of other issues related to responder safety - day vs night use, in-lane vs shoulder use, etc.  They key to effective use of warning and direction information is a close relationship and understanding among all response agencies, but primarily among police, fire (and EMS), DOT and towing and recovery.  Good responder safety is a primary concern.  There appear to be ways of providing a safe working environment for responders with fewer flashing lights and the affects on traffic flow can be dramatic.

I would suggest starting with a call to John O'Laughlin who is now located in Phoenix and who has been working with Arizona DOT, DPS and Phoenix Fire on this and other issues.  This is also a good research issue but I imagine one of the reasons that it hasn't been done is that the setup of a good study design would be challenging to say the least.  If someone has studied this issue, I would very much like to see the study.

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#7. Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY - from Ken Brooke
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 10:57:47 -0500
From: Ken Brooke <ken@mitretek.org>
Subject: Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY

I have certainly heard of departments considering new policies regarding the use of vehicle emergency lights while on scene, and even some allusions to studies that "have shown" that it helps to minimize their use.  I don't have anything concrete in the way of citations, however.  I will check with my contacts and get back to the group.

My gut reaction is that whatever deleterious effect their use may have on passers-by is greatly overshadowed by their benefit (perceived or actual) in protecting responders working at the scene.  I believe that their use in these situations is mandatory according to state and local statute in many jurisdictions.  I do feel that there are tendencies to over excel in equipping fire and rescue apparatus, however...particularly in volunteer departments. What with the capabilities of modern high intensity lighting systems, the result can certainly be perceived to be excessive by the layperson.

This strikes me as similar to the debates regarding the "best" color for fire apparatus.  A great deal of time and money was expended to find out what the very best color was, and as I recall, it wasn't red!  The "slime green" or "blaze orange" colors seen infrequently are the result of these studies.  Oddly enough, even though they were judged to provide the best visibility, they were still unexpected and non-traditional.  I hear that the simple fact of their not being red was distracting to motorists, and the missing color cue actually caused the non red apparatus to blend in more with the other traffic.  I'm sure that the traditionalists also voiced their pro-red opinions loudly as well. Just another case of "what's best ain't always what's best!"

Ken

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#8. RE: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply - from DuFresne, Jon C.
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 11:37:20 -0500
From: "DuFresne, Jon C." <dufresne_jc@vdot.state.va.us>
Subject: RE: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply

Check with the California Highway Patrol.  I was at an I-95 Corridor Coalition HOGs meeting in New Hampshire several years ago where the quest speaker was a Lt. Col. (I believe) with the California Highway Patrol.  He stated that they have eliminated using their flashing lights after they pull a motorist over to the side of the road in order to eliminate crashes into the police car.  They felt that a motorist when looking at the flashing light will inadvertently steer toward it.

By the way, the HOGs are composed of state police and DOT representatives within the I-95 Corridor Coalition and this statement was not well received by a majority of the State police present.  It will be a hard sell.

Jon DuFresne
ITS Operations Engineer
Virginia DOT

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#9. TIM: RE: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply - from Helman, David
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Date: 20 Jan 2000 13:27:01 -0500
From: "Helman, David <FHWA>" <David.Helman@fhwa.dot.gov>
Subject: TIM: RE: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply

Jon, you're absolutely correct - it is an extremely hard sell.  I remember John O'Laughlin (retired, Washington State Patrol) trying to sell an officer from Dallas Police on this based on his experiences in the Seattle area and Mr. Dallas Police wasn't buying it.  You have to understand concern for safety as viewed by responders who have either had close calls themselves or had colleagues killed or injured in action.  Ken, if you dig up anything, even a reference, please send it to me.  I know Phoenix is looking into this and I expect others are too.

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#10. Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY - from Dick Raub
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 14:53:38 -0600
From: Dick Raub <raraub@nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY

John:

To a large extent, I believe that most of this discussion is anecdotal. There are a substantial number of crashes with stopped police vehicles, but the causes really are not clearly known.  First, what is the population characteristics of drivers involved in roadside collisions as opposed to on-road collisions?  (Remember, similar commentary also is made about trucks stopped on the shoulders).  Second, do crashes with parked police vehicles occur more frequently than with other vehicles stopped on the shoulders?

I suggest that perhaps there is a question, or problem statement, that could go through the Freeway Ops committee for submission on to NCHRP.  I don't know whether IACp or IACP and perhaps ATA Foundation (because trucks are involved) might want to try this one on for size.  What thinkest you? Perhaps a project whose time has come?  Our involvement with police might be an "in" to getting access to police crash reports.

Dick

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#11. Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply - from Dick Raub
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 15:02:09 -0600
From: Dick Raub <raraub@nwu.edu>
Subject: Re: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY -Reply

Dave:

I responded to John independently, but also can comment to all.  When I was with ISP, this was an off-discussed question but they were unwilling, at that time, to do any form of research.  My suspicion was that they were "what iffing" the possible results.

I do agree about the excessive use of lights as it affects traffic flow. While the literature is somewhat weak in the area, anyone who has driven knows that the visibility of emergency lights on either side of the road serve as an attractive nuisance.  People slow and the likelihood of collisions increase dramatically.

Dick
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#12. Temporary freeway detection/surveillance - from Chuck Miller
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 16:08:16 -0600 (CST)
From: Chuck Miller <cmiller@vuse.vanderbilt.edu>
Subject: Temporary freeway detection/surveillance


I an curious whether any agency has used temporary detection and/or  surveillance equipment to monitor traffic in construction zones on  freeways.  I can envision two scenarios in which temporary detection and/or  surveillance might be useful; 1) when a section of freeway that is within a freeway management system is being reconstructed and existing  detection/surveillance devices are disturbed or 2) to provide detection  and/or surveillance outside of a freeway management system's coverage area.

If this type of temporary detection and/or surveillance has been used, what type of equipment has been used?  Was implementing the system before  construction gets underway a problem?  How did the public accept and understand the temporary nature of the implementation?  Will your agency use temporary detection and/or surveillance again?

Any input would be greatly appreciated.

Chuck Miller

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#13. Re: TIM: ACTION - DRAFT - from Ken Brooke
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:11:38 -0500
From: Ken Brooke <ken@mitretek.org>
Subject: Re: TIM: ACTION - DRAFT

Okay, John & Barry, I had a few thoughts on the draft flyer, FWIW:

1.  By outreach, were we reporting on past outreach accomplishments, or stating future outreach goals?  Was the list of organizations meant to convey a sense of professional association in order to attract more "birds of a feather?"  The flyer could perhaps use a little more enticement.

2.  Re the IACP.  I believe that I would recommend the Law Enforcement Information
Management Section as a more sympatico IACP group than the "Traffic Safety Committee"
(perhaps referring to the Highway Safety Committee?).  I think that the committee
might be more appropriate if our emphasis is more on operational policies and procedures.  If we are concentrating on technology instead and targeting IACP committees, I might suggest that the Communications and Technology Committee might
work with ITS better.  Tom Steele is the new LEIM chair, and already involved in
meetings with the JPO, hopefully headed towards a more formal relationship sometime
soon.

3.  If we are concentrating on standards, then we may have missed the mark altogether
in public safety.  For law enforcement, I believe I would engage the Commission on
Accreditation for Law Enforcement Agencies (CALEA), in preference to the IACP.  For
fire & rescue incident management, I believe that the National Fire Prevention
Association (NFPA) and/or one of the several training organizations would suit our
needs better than the IAFC.  For EMS, both the National Association of EMS Physicians
(NAEMSP) and the National Association of State EMS Directors (NAEMSD) would be
appropriate, however there are others active in this fragmented profession.

4.  A general (and, I fear repetitious) comment on outreach into the public safety
sector.  These are not unified professions, and no single organization can speak for
any of the segments with unanimity.  The authoritative portion of each profession is
comprised of veterans who have risen to their positions in highly competitive and
dangerous environments, and such a Darwinian process produces individuals with very
large egos who guard their turf assiduously.  I think that anyone with significant
street-level experience will agree that it is difficult enough to get agreement
between adjacent jurisdictions, let alone between adjacent professions.  I would not
expect national consensus on our requests for information.

5.  Nevertheless, I believe we do (or will soon) have something of value to offer the
cops, firefighters, and medics.  It's really quid pro quo, for we need their services,
as none of our gadgets will work when the road is blocked, and they are the only ones
who can actually restore traffic flow.  I think we might consider how to package our
ITS external resources and services to make them irresistable to public safety.  I'm not sure
that they realize they need anything more than what they already have.  We have a
product, but we need to create a market for it.

I remember my dad skoffing at a new car salesman's pitch in the 60's and saying "If
cruise control is the solution, then what is the problem!"  Now most cars have it as
standard equipment.  That's where we need to get to with regional highway incident
management.

-Ken

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#14. Re: TIM: Temporary freeway detection/surveillance - from Ken Brooke
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:34:59 -0500
From: Ken Brooke <ken@mitretek.org>
Subject: Re: TIM: Temporary freeway detection/surveillance

Well, a similar thing is used during an incident in my fire & rescue department within our local transit system, MetroRail (metro Washington, DC).  It's not highway, and it's not a construction work zone, but might be pertinent.

When there is a MetroRail incident requiring work on the tracks, two things are constantly monitored for the duration of the incident:

1.  The third rail, to determine if it is energized.
2.  The traction rails (unsure of the terminology), to determine if a train is approaching.

I can provide further details, if you're interested.

-Ken

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#15. FW: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY - from Corbin, John
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Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 20:47:53 -0600
From: "Corbin, John" <john.corbin@dot.state.wi.us>
Subject: FW: TIM: ACTION-EMERGENCY VEHICLE LIGHTING POLICY

OK.  Ron, this is for your deliberation as representative of the TRB Freeway Ops Committee - Research Subcommittee.  As you have previously indicated, you are looking for BRIEF descriptions of research ideas for the subcommittee to review and prioritize.

(Am cc-ing TIM email discussion group to enable your comments and suggestions to Ron and me.)

Proposed Research Project:
Emergency & Maintenance Vehicle Warning Lighting - Responder & Freeway Safety Impacts

Scope:
Traffic incident contribute significantly to highway congestion.  Many of these incidents attract the presence of emergency, maintenance, and towing and recovery vehicles.  The presence of these vehicles can exacerbate the congestion caused by the traffic incident, and the warning light practices of these vehicles is a potentially significant factor influencing their impact.  Additional variables associated with warning light practices include type (rotating or strobe), intensity, color, mounting location (roof, window, or grille), flash sequence ("wig-wag", random, or sequential), and weather and ambient lighting conditions.  This research project will review and synthesize previous research and evaluations of vehicle lighting practices and impacts.  The project will identify candidate lighting practice variables, and will develop and apply a methodology to analyze the significance of these variables in affecting vehicle operator and other pedestrian responder safety as well as traffic flow and safety on freeway, tollway, and expressway facilities.  The project will utilized historical crash and traffic flow data, similar data collected during a designated study period, and other specialized human factor study techniques to complete the project.

Objectives & Issues:
What vehicle warning lighting configurations and practices are predominant nationally?
What legislative and policy mandates affect vehicle warning lighting practices?
What are current and emerging vehicle warning lighting technologies?
How do vehicle warning lights affect traffic flow and safety?
How do various vehicle warning lighting practices impact vehicle operator and pedestrian responder safety?
What vehicle warning lighting practices are most effective in ensuring safety and optimizing traffic flow, and under what conditions?

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