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home > discussion group > June 11 - 22, 1999

ITE Traffic Incident Management E-mail Discussion Group Digest #9

June 11 to June 22, 1999

This digest contains the following messages:

#5. getting a document - from David Kelley
#7. some questions about incident detection - from Hualiang Teng
#8. Re: TIM: some questions about incident detection - from T. M. Kurihara
#9. Re: TIM: some questions about incident detection - from David Kelley
#10. RE: TIM: some questions about incident detection - from Franklin, Robert B
#11. RE: TIM: some questions about incident detection - from Chuck Manuel - MCDOTX
#12. TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash Investigations - from Corbin, John
#13. TELECONFERENCE Reminder - from
David Kelley

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#5. getting a document - from David Kelley
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:21:38 -0700
From: David Kelley <DavidKelley@earthlink.net>
Subject: getting a document


At 07:47 am 6/11/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 07:45:41 -0500
>From: "Juanita Lowe" <Juanita@ksdot.org>
>Subject: Re: TIM: ITE-TIM list,  a FULL RESTART
>
>Cannot open document.
>
>Juanita Lowe
>

There was no document sent with the original message. 

If you mean the PDF (Public Domain Format) document of the agenda which the message refers to that you can have sent back to you with a %GET command, that requires the free
Adobe Acrobat reader to view and print. 

You can get a copy at lots of places, try http://www.adobe.com or
http://www.adobe.com/prodindex/
acrobat/readstep.html#reader
if you need one.   

If you prefer there is also a Word'97 copy on the machine which you can get by sending the command   " %GET itetim0699agn1.doc "   in the subject line.
   Regards,  DCK

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#7. some questions about incident detection
- from Hualiang Teng
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Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 22:22:03 -0400
From: "Hualiang Teng" <hteng@poly.edu>
Subject: some questions about incident detection

Hi, all:

It seems to me that the need for incident detection algorithms have been decreased in incident management programs.  Some reasons are provided as follows:

* There is a fairly percentage of loops malfunctioning which influences the quality of the obtained traffic measurements.  These non-reliable measurements can not make the incident detection algorithms have their idea performance.


* Most of the incident detection algorithms were not designed based on reasonable assumption on traffic flow characteristics.  Such algorithms are destined to have a bad performance.

* A fairly number of incident management programs relies upon cheap cellular report or other means other than expensive inductive loops.

* Although video image processing has been claimed to have promise to detect incidents based on tracking vehicles, no field data demonstrates its performance.

Due to these reasons, my question to ask you is whether we need to continue research effort on developing incident detection algorithms for the loop detector equipped freeway systems.

Also, please provide comments regarding to the reasons I provided above.

Have a good weekend!

Harry


Hualiang (Harry) Teng, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering
Polytechnic University
Six Metrotech Center
Brooklyn, NY 11201
Tel. (718) 260-3196
Fax (718) 722-7271

Reply to: Hualiang Teng

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#8. Re: TIM: some questions about incident detection - from T. M. Kurihara
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Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 11:57:47 -0400
From: "T. M. Kurihara" <tkstds@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: TIM: some questions about incident detection

Is there any work being done in this area by the University of Florida Traffic Simulation and Modeling Center.  My contact was Charles E. Wallace, cwallace@ce.ufl.edu, and his contractor, Kaman Sciences,  who were also working with the TMDD committee to develop a  traffic simulation and modeling data dictionary.  There was, as I  recall, discussion at one of their meetings couple of years ago about having a library of algorithms and other commonly used routines for reuse.  Don't know where that has gone since.  I have not seen Charles or anyone from TSDD at the TMDD meeting.  James M. Cheeks, Jr., may know about the ITE TSDD project established under one of the ITE Councils.  \\TomK//

Tom Kurihara
3800 North Fairfax Drive, #207
Arlington, VA 22203-1759
703-516-9650
703-516-4688 fax
t.kurihara@ieee.org


 

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#9. Re: TIM: some questions about incident detection - from David Kelley
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 09:39:04 -0700
From: David Kelley <DavidKelley@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: TIM: some questions about incident detection


Of course we should continue loop bases Incident detection work.  And while it is true that 911-PSAPs are getting an increasing level of Cellular reports right behind any incident, just talk to any dispatcher and they will tell you the multiple people calling rarely know where in fact they are located - so nailing down the effected segment can be fun during the early verification phases. 

If you are looking for the future of detection methods I would say consider research on tag based technologies.  Frankly if your community is very sparse with loops today I don't think you will be making a massive infrastructure investment in the next 5 years. It would be nice if everyone had camera (ala Atlanta but there is just no way to pay for it) so I do not see that happening either. 

Frankly I have come to believe that blind OD pairs from tags and tag readers will be the only way to fill the so called data-gap in local flow monitoring (both for incident detection and for ATIS use).  I would wager we will see a reader based incident detection algorithm
session become a regular feature of TRB for years to come.

(Finally I get to say something on this list not concerning how the email bouncing problem)   DC Kelley


Regards,   David Kelley
  ITS Programs Development      626-915-4488 Phone
  SubCarrier Systems Corp.  626-915-3168 Fax
____________________________________________

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#10. RE: TIM: some questions about incident detection - from 
Franklin, Robert B
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 10:56:09 -0600
From: "Franklin, Robert B" <robert.b.franklin@lmco.com>
Subject: RE: TIM: some questions about incident detection

David:

I have to weigh-in on behalf of the cellular phone. You are absolutely correct about the impact of the cell phone on the call-takers in  the various Public Safety Answering Points (PSAP). There are over 90,000 emergency calls made by cell phones everyday in the US. 
Ninety percent of these are related to some form of highway or traffic incident. And you are correct in your assertion that nearly fifty percent of the callers have no idea where they are. The growing number of calls is what has driven the FCC to pass the rule requiring 125m location by 1 Oct 2001. It is also the reason that a number of communities have begun to install locator signs along their freeway system.

I really believe that in less than two years we will be able to accurately locate (within twenty meters) and determine the direction and velocity of travel. While this capability is principally being developed for public safety, the data will be available to us. 

I am in no way saying that there is not work to be done to make this information useful to us but I think its going to happen sooner than later.  We are going to have to adapt the current algorithms to accept, filter and process this data. But I think there will be a 
growing acceptance of this capability since the cell phone population continues to grow at an astronomical rate (can you say 10 digit dialing?), they are everywhere and people like to call in emergency information (at the tune of up to 60 plus calls about an incident on a downtown freeway) and their deployment is essentially free to the traffic community (we may have to pay some form of fee to access the data from the 911 data base).

I speak with a bit of background on this as I was (in my former life) the TRW project manager that built the overall Atlanta system. Plus I have been tracking the interconnect of public safety and the traffic management community for the past three plus years. 
It going to happen.

Tip

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#11. RE: TIM: some questions about incident detection - from Chuck Manuel - MCDOTX
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 13:48:47 -0700
From: Chuck Manuel - MCDOTX <ChuckManuel@mail.maricopa.gov>
Subject: RE: TIM: some questions about incident detection

I appreciate the interest and communication that is taking place within the ITS community.  However, we need to include the 9-1-1 folks because this will have a direct influence on their service deliverabilty.  Most PSAP'S in smaller communities do not the technical expertise or infrastructure in place to handle wireless locations today and to expect them to be on-line in two years is wishful thinking.  I feel that we need to extend a hand to our local emergency providers and let them know what resources and capabilities we have in the various transportation agencies.  Since former life was mentioned, I also have first hand experience working for the Phoenix Fire Dept. for the past 26 years.  Now, myself and the county assoc. of governments is conducting meetings with the emergency providers.  Our intent is help where needed and offer advice and assistance as the need arises. I would appreciate any information from those who come down this road before and their successes and setbacks as well as extend my hand to help with thoughts or ideas others may have....thanks....

chuck manuel
Emergency Management Services Coordinator
Maricopa County Dept. of Transportation
602-506-4612
chuckmanuel@mail.maricopa.gov

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#12. TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash Investigations - from
Corbin, John
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Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 15:54:17 -0500
From: "Corbin, John" <john.corbin@dot.state.wi.us>
Subject: TIM - Closure of Highways for Crash Investigations

<<IM.WPD>>   <<IM-SUM.DOC>>
Attached synopsis provides some interesting inventory information on full-freeway-closure crash investigations and practices done by FHWA-Oregon.
(Thanks to FHWA-Wisconsin) 

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#13. TELECONFERENCE Reminder - from David Kelley
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Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:42:18 -0700
From: David Kelley <DavidKelley@earthlink.net>
Subject: TELECONFERENCE Reminder


Just a reminder:

The ITE TIM COMMITTEE  is tomorrow
TUESDAY, JUNE 22, 1999 - 10 am TO NOON (CST)

Call-In Number is: (312) 470-0114      Pass Code: 27035:

Need the agenda again? 
Send a message with "%GET itetim0699agn1.pdf"
in the subject line to the list



Regards,   
David Kelley
ITS Programs Development      626-915-4488 Phone
SubCarrier Systems Corp.  626-915-3168 Fax
____________________________________________

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